Comments on: Starlink spring 2024, making sense of continued changes https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/ The Marine Electronics Hub Fri, 21 Jun 2024 14:47:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Ben Ellison https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-514857 Fri, 21 Jun 2024 14:47:00 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-514857 Our friends at MIRC are quite disappointed with the initial Starlink Mini offering…

https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/starlink-mini-launched-disappointing-mini-roam-data-plan-dashes-nomadic-dreams/

…but the hardware tentatively looks good for even modest size cruising boats and this is only the ‘preliminary’ launch

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By: Gerald Davis https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-514498 Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:31:35 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-514498 Getting rid of global is just weird though. Roam Global ($200) and 50GB Mobile Priority ($250) were identical minus the 50GB initial data. You could even think of Roam Global as 0GB Mobile Priority. Especially given on how dumb data access works it was ideal option. It is also weird they doubled the price instead of just saying it isn’t available and by default you will be bumped to MP 50GB unless you choose another plan. Then again SpaceX has always kinda just done stuff which was confusing and poorly explained so maybe par for the course.

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By: William Deertz https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-511719 Tue, 28 May 2024 13:55:51 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-511719 Thanks for the timely update. I have a regional roam plan but would consider the 50gb priority plan if starlink would provide a toggle so users can determine when to use their priority data. It’s illogical to force a user to consume their priority data first when onshore can should be able to use unlimited best efforts data. Hopefully starlink will see the shortcomings in this plans inability to toggle the priority data.

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By: Francis FUSTIER https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-511464 Sun, 26 May 2024 09:48:58 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-511464 On our side of the Atlantic, the Mobile-Global plan has simply disappeared. Mobile-Regional stands at 59€ (Inc.VAT) and Mobile Priority- 50 GB at 287€ (Inc.VAT) with both additional Mobile Priority data at 2.29€/GB.

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By: Ben Ellison https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-511268 Fri, 24 May 2024 13:28:57 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-511268 Sorry to add that the Russians have figured out how jam Starlink:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/24/technology/ukraine-russia-starlink.html?unlocked_article_code=1.uU0.MCh8.wtPOB-2_R8-e&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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By: David Vacanti https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-511157 Thu, 23 May 2024 18:01:22 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-511157 My Starlink installation blog is here: https://vacantisw.com/2024/01/23/starlink-new-standard-installation-on-a-trawler

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By: David Vacanti https://panbo.com/starlink-spring-2024-making-sense-of-continued-changes/#comment-511156 Thu, 23 May 2024 17:55:44 +0000 https://panbo.com/?p=105583#comment-511156 Ben-
I documented my installation of the Gen 3 Hardware on my trawler – on the blog section of my website (link below). I can confirm that laying it flat is problematic when it rains or mists as the unit puddles water and that does not work well at 13GHz. So if you fix mount it and won’t have easy access to the antenna to wipe off water, mount it at the 11degree kick stand angle. I also helped install a new 3rd Gen “standard” antenna on a Trawler Mast using the “House Mount” and that worked famously.

I routinely see very high data rates in the Pacific Northwest (Anacortes, WA – San Juan Islands) that exceed your results – I suspect that is due to the higher population density of the East Coast and with the expected higher simultaneous demand for bandwidth and data.

We have friends currently cruising in Alaska (Inside Passage from Anacortes starting point) Newtradition.blog, who are using the older “Actuated” version of Starlink on the Mobile Regional Plan with no problems. They never exceed 9Kts so that matches the Starlink stated limitations. At one point in their journey North, preparing to round Cape Caution, BC Canada, they were anchored with 8 other boats, every one of them had Starlink installed. Around here we run out of Cell coverage very fast when heading North into cruising country. Very little infrastructure at all really, so having a relatively affordable form of SATCOM available is very, very important.

We have also used our Starlink 3rd Gen “Kick Stand” hardware underway locally at less than 9Kts also with excellent results. We will be using the system for weather forecasts and communications for a trip to Desolation Sound / Discovery Islands and can report on that experience.

I can say that the new WIFI 6 Router has excellent range and has worked for me while on a dinghy with my phone a decent distance from the boat. Other friends have made the same report.

I do hope that your conclusion about “encouraging” users to leave a particular plan and move to the other Mobile plans is correct. Doubling prices per month on the Mobile / Roam / Regional Plan would be a huge negative impact to long distance trawler cruisers in this part of the country. We have to carry Bear Spray to take a walk in these parts!

WRT the MINI terminal, that will move from Ka Band (13GHz) to the MMW bands in the high 20-30GHz range where Starlink has licensed bands to use for their systems. When you double the operating frequency the antenna area for the same number of phased array elements is also cut in half. By keeping the same number of active array elements, power is not reduced – but may actually increase slightly because the devices that operate near 30GHz can’t use as many low power silicon devices (SiGe) and must switch to GaAs at least on the transmit side.

Propagation losses at the higher frequencies is higher and therefore bad weather will cause drop outs and reduced data rates more frequently. The MINI has the potential to accommodate many more users and provide better throughput in higher population density areas. I’ve been really impressed with the technology of the Starlink Antenna – combining a transmit and receive aperture that operate at different frequencies (Uplink data is transmitted at a higher band than Downlink data) using Dual Circular polarization is not a small thing!!

It remains to be seen how the competing system being developed at Project Kuiper (Amazon) will implement their system components and what performance they will achieve. If indeed Kuiper goes live in the next year or two and draws significant subscribers, then competition will act to help keep monthly fees and hardware costs down. Until another LEO system is operational, Starlink can set its own terms, but that has a limited horizon if Kuiper gets off the ground soon.

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